designed wellness for the spirit, mind & body

About

Welcome to TalkAboutSpaces.com where we blend the worlds of holistic well-being and the business of design.

OUR PURPOSE

Spaces that Nurture Body, Mind, and Business

Whether you’re an aspiring designer, a seasoned professional, or simply someone passionate about creating harmonious spaces, this website is your gateway to the world of wellness design. Discover the transformative power of thoughtful design and gain valuable insights on creating nurturing environments; incorporating mindfulness into your design process, and harnessing the potential of your design business.

Design is not just a profession; it’s a passion for well-being, and it’s a pathway to a fulfilling and prosperous future.

  • Design Business Insights
  • Wellness Design Tools and Products
  • Marketing and brand Strategies
  • Business Growth and Expansion
As Practitioners of Integrative Interiors – We Create Personalised Living Spaces:
Each space telling a unique story that will provoke connection and make you want to linger-longer
We Connect with You and Your Energy – To Curate a Space that Captures Your Essence.
www.xperiencemakers.co.za

We Follow the Worlds of Wellness Design.

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biophilic design
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psychology of space
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neuroscience-informed design
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mindful design
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neuro-architecture
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positive environmental psychology

Who We Are

We love to create & build purposeful connections;

So that we can succeed together

Founder & Chief Visionary
Renée de Waal

I am an unconventional rebel, unapologetically embracing the world of interior design for three decades now, mentoring countless interns and students along the way. Dancing to the beat of someone else’s drum has never been my style. Growth and evolution fuel my drive, pushing me to challenge boundaries, stretch parameters, and shatter the chains of conformity. My independent, big picture mindset propels me forward.

For over 30 years, every morning, I dedicate 90 minutes to a sacred routine of breathwork and meditation, igniting my creativity and performance. I find balance in the soothing embrace of yoga and nature walks, combating stress and nurturing my well-being.

Resilience, the heart of my entrepreneurial success, has taught me to delegate and surround myself with dynamic mentors. If I could speak to my younger self, I’d say, “Get yourself a mentor!”

The attraction of authentic energy in people & places comforts my sense of being(ness), like nothing else: In old buildings, I find beauty in the rich history, constructed with craftsmanship & intention; to endure the test of time. And with people, the simple pleasure of being together requires no pretense or gain.

Join me on this exciting journey, where we explore uncharted territories of design, continuously learn, and develop ourselves personally and professionally. Authentic energy and the pursuit of excellence drive every step I take.

Together, we can forge a path of meaningful connection and creativity.

“How you do anything is how you do everything.”

Interior Designer & Psych Major
Janel (Schorr) Gertenbach

Inspired by my deep affection for home renovation shows and the profound impact of design on customers during my years in retail, I embarked on a path in interior design. My fascination with the dynamic interplay between spaces and people blossomed over the first decade at Xperiencemakers. I witnessed how individuals, from the inhabitants to the designers, artisans, and makers, leave an indelible mark on the spaces they shape.

Throughout a decade of engaging with clients and connecting with fellow creatives, my understanding of the intricate reciprocal relationship between spaces and people deepened. This profound journey beckoned me to explore my other passion – psychology – pursuing a second degree that would add even more depth to my experience and expertise.

Because I’ve learned that sometimes internal healing is needed to find solace within one’s living spaces, and other times, it’s about first infusing beauty and healing into the outer spaces that surround us. Often, it’s both dimensions intertwined that bring true transformation.

Now, armed with over 15 years of experience in the industry and an unwavering dedication to personal and collective growth, I find myself exhilarated to blend the worlds of design, mindfulness, neuroscience, and psychology to craft spaces that nurture and heal. My mission is to empower people to find solace and harmony in both their inner and outer worlds.